A/N: So anyone who remembers that page where I said I'm done since the reply I got for it from a guy named Mertyville responded with that long ass comment and even leaving a link to a video from Gardetrace that says we should stop comparing goten and trunks to caulifla.

WARNING: Any who's basically heard me going over about this crap enough as it is can avoid this page if they want. But, if you want to read at your own choice, by all means.

https://youtu.be/dlmL1BNARms

Now yes, I am still going to stop with trying to explain how dumb the kale and caulifla hate is and stuff like that. However, I'm also going to ignore any bullshit arguments or discussions like this shit. 

This first thing I need to get out is sort of unrelated to the video it's mainly that he's one of those jackasses who uses that term I wish never existed due to it nearly being completely overused on nearly EVERY FUCKING STRONG FEMALE CHARACTER EVER! But on to the other stuff.

Now granted, while I do now suppose that we shouldn't compare the half breeds getting them to u6 saiyans since it's different genetics.

She didn't get the power up without earning it. If  he and many of the other people who clearly didn't pay attention. I Once again haft to bring up the fact that universe 6 saiyan biology is different. 

I know I keep bringing this up. But you know what, people seem to keep forgetting about it an nearly think that it apparently still works the same like universe 7. 

While yes, it's true that Kale did awaken Legendary Super Saiyan and would later master it through anger or stress, but Before I bring up why The tingling feeling works as an alternative. I need to point out two things that both Mertyville and Gardetrace made the mistake of.

Here's what Gardetrace said which basically shoots his argument right in the foot.

And you could guess on just how much I could now take his discussion seriously at this point.

That much basically.

In case this individual hasn't realized. That's why retcons or new information happen. To either expand on something orrevise retrospectively, typically by introducing a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events.

They did this with the potara fusion. It uses to be said that whoever puts them on and fuse, it was said that they would stay fused. Goku and Vegeta defused however when they got absorbed by buu. The idea got retconned in super to where that only if a deity like a supreme kai puts it on and fuses with another, it will last permanently. Mortals last for 30 minutes if that's the case. 

And then I need to also bring up what Mertyville said.

"Besides the lack of tails, the Saiyan biology of Universe 6 was never properly explained. The fact we rely on external sources like S-Cells by Toriyama also shows how terrible the show has become, because S-Cells contradict how Vegeta, Gohan and Goku were able to turn SSJ."

  Well guess what.

It doesn't fucking matter!!!! Just because They don't like it or They think it somehow shows how bad the show got or that it wasn't in the original run back then. It doesn't matter in the damn slightest. 

As I said before: a retocn revises retrospectively, typically by introducing a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events.

And next, Because it's still information, from the fucking author of the series might I add, that is being provided to apply to the series and give new light to whats going on. They've done it before during the run of the previous series that came with them releasing official guides or books on the characters and their powers before. Why the hell does that suddenly fucking make an exception here when it's just doing what it's done before? 

Also, what the hell is wrong with External sources? FYI, they actually tend to help out on something that hasn't been explain clearly in the series.

The fact is, they shouldn't be ignoring it just because they  think it's apparently suffers from stupid reasons like that, doesn't make them logical, it makes them petty and biased against it. They don't like it? Well TOO. FUCKING. BAD.

If it's such a problem to them, then all I can say to them is:

Now lets go one with how things for the saiyans in universe 6 go compared for the universe 7 ones.

In universe 6, the saiyans are like their 7 counterparts in the sense that they're still a warrior race. However, They are hired to fight evil nearly every single day in their lives.

This shows that they do their own fighting and training since they're hired just about every day to do so.

Plus, Vegeta even fucking says that cabba was matching him in his fucking base form. A post Resurrection F base vegeta is going toe to toe with Cabba, a universe 6 saiyan who hasn't even gained super saiyan yet.

Now back to how I was going to explain the alternative to achieving super saiyan.

And unlike universe 7 saiyans, they weren't ruled over by frieza and his men. Frost didn't do that in their universe. And as I've said nearly constantly, they would later evolve to no longer have tails, thus changing their biology and on how they get stronger, their tails are no long something to act as a weakness when it's pulled or sliced off because they don't have them anymore and they get stronger. The universe 6 saiyans needed them to turn into oozarus and increase their power by doing so. All the universe 7 saiyans did was invade planets for frieza before he blew planet vegeta up and only a few of them survived. But, they didn't start training until later in their years. Goku didn't start training until some time after he hit his head where Grandpa Gohan taught him some martial arts. However, after unknowingly killing him from looking at the moon, he wouldn't be trained further until much later when he met master roshi.  And everything else from there.

By the way, Evolution still applies to dragon ball. They lost their tails and kept gradually getting stronger because they weren't oppressed and didn't rely on the thing that basically was their weakness. 

People want to keep on bitching about kale and caulifla being strong despite not having trained. The fucking universe 6 saiyans has been training and fighting evil every day for years on end even before these two were born. And it would make sense for the next generation after another of them to be stronger.

Now about how becoming super saiyan works: 

The amount of S-Cells of course depends on the spirit of the Saiyan in particular. the more gentle the spirit, the greater the amount of S-Cells within said saiyan. 

When a Saiyan increases their battle power (Just like what the universe 6 saiyans have been doing over the years), it can also increase the amount of S-Cells in their body.S-Cells are essential to becoming a Super Saiyan and when a Saiyan has gained enough they can transform by feeling intense levels of anger or sadness. This was seen with goku when he saw his best friend krillin, get killed right in front of him.

This, in a way does also apply to the universe 6 saiyans as well, as seen with kale and cabba when they transformed due to being in either a tense situation or are feeling a large amount of anger boiling up and increasing the cells in their body.

However, after Cabba first achieved it, he somehow found a way to methodize it to where he could achieve it in a more easy way and would eventually teach it to caulifla.  By focusing her power into a tingling sensation in their upper-back directly below her neck, Caulifal triggered a transformation into a Super Saiyan without the need for emotional stress to do so. 

Also, the anime once again that caulifla's potential power is far beyond her brother's. She is younger and less trained than her brother, yet her power surpasses his own.

That already gives shows us that she was a strong one from the beginning.

Here's a video that puts this into further detail. About most of the stuff I talked about if you want to know more.

https://youtu.be/17ElUbCvxpA

And for kefla, potara has been known to be a fusion of the deities and grants the fusion a massive amount of strength, speed and power to them. Caulifla was a being with potential power that was increased through training and gaining the super saiyan transformations and kale was a protegee who grew a great deal of power through legendary super saiyan, which thanks to the broly movie, proves that it's being introduced as a more bigger rise of power than the non canon one. And her also eventually controlling her berserk power would also double that. So adding those two together, it would put kefla on a high level.

Piccolo comments that her power could be even greater than goku's previous level of power.

Even if that doesn't work, Whis says that her power rivals that of the universal spirit bomb that goku charged up earlier to try and hit jiren with.

(He was referring to her SSJ form before she turned SSJ2),

She especially exclaims that she can blow away a universe.

I'm aware that his is possibly her overexaggerating. But, considering on how she was knocking around a god, blue and kaioken blue goku. And yes, I know very well goku was nearly very much still damaged from his battle with jiren, even after fireza gave him some energy. We still need to remember that this is a goku way stronger than what he was back in the battle of gods arc where his clashes with beerus in the atmosphere of earth was shaking and almost destroying the universe. So, it's still possible.

Vados comments on her impressive current speed when she was fighting reawakened ultra instinct omen goku.

(granted, she did say that goku's was better since he was in ultra instinct omen, but I couldn't find that screenshot apparently).

And finally, Master Roshi even says that if kefla had hit goku, in his reawakned ultra instinct state, that she would kill him.

All of these point out the level of power she is on. And it was only through goku firing his kamehameha directly at her and breaking the potara, was she able to be beaten.

Look, at this point, not only does this show that these guys are petty and full of shit. But it now further proves my point that the hate that the universe 6 saiyans received because of what happened is actually a lot more dumb that it already is.

But like I said sat the start, I'm not going to bother with people like these two anymore since it'll be their problem when they get further proven wrong by any new info.

And now that all. No more arguing with people about kale and caulifla. They want to bitch at me, they can just go. I have all that I need to give and that's it. Time to leave these annoying arguments behind now like many other people in this community should start doing.