Third Debate : Molecule Man (Marvel Comics) Super Dimentio (Paper Mario)
Hello everyone Son Raon here and I'm back again answering to a debate proposed to me by Animal-Yuki.
First of all, I'd like to sincerely apologise for not tackling this debate earlier, I had some busy months ahead of me trying to both find all the required scans and statements in order to scale both characters and also the struggles of being a University sophomore.
Now enough with the small talks we've got some serious scaling to do since we're about to witness before our eyes the most one sided slaughter so far.
The battle between two Transcendant beings.
Two powerhouses of unimaginable power.
On the one side we have perhaps the third strongest character in the entirety of Marvel Comics.
The powerhouse that's both feared and respected by many highly powerful characters in Marvel.
Molecule Man!!!!
Versus
One of the strongest if not THE strongest being in the entire Marioverse.
The final boss of the Paper Mario game.
The only being who's stated to be a greater threat to the Mario Verse than the Void itself!!!
Super Dimentio
Which one of them is going to win in this fight of Titans?
Who's going to be crowned as the winner?
And who's going to lose?
Let's scale!!!
Before I begin with the scaling process, I'll use some simplistic rules in order to ever so slightly even the battlefield :
Rule #1 : I won't use atom scaling since it's pretty much pointless to do as such.
Rule #2 : Both characters will be at their fullest, because even though this fight is more one sided than I can explain, it'd be unrealistic and biased to scale one character based on their low effort feats and another based on their full power.
Rule #3 : Although I don't tend to follow completely the jurisdictions of Scaling Wikis, just to make things easier I'll scale both characters based on the Characters Stats And Profiles - most commonly abbreviated as CSAP - Wiki.
Rule #4 : I won't use Cosmological Equilibrium. That's by all means still a bias and would be unrealistic since we're here to find out how one sided or fair each fight is, not giving into biases and apply a Cosmological equivalence for the sake of oversimplicity.
Rule #5 : I'll keep explainations about Cosmologies brief and only mention the necessary information in order to scale both characters correctly.
Now without any further delay.
Let the slaughter... Ahem the scaling commence!!!!
Now in order to give you how one sided it is I'll start scaling Super Dimentio first.
Let's move into the Cosmology.
First of all there's an item in Paper Mario that can give to its consumer untold amounts of knowledge in the Marioverse.
That item is none other than the String Theory Soup.
Now this is huge since String Theory is in one way or another connected with theories like Super String Theory and M-Theory.
How's that important in scaling?
Through CSAP the 6 Dimensional "normal" String Theory is Low Complex Multiversal.
The Super String Theory and M-Theory are 10D and 11D accordingly, which means that they are High Complex Multiversal.
This is further backed up by the background of Paper Mario, one of which is Mathematical equations :
And the other is one with shapes similar to those that the quantum physicists use in order to define the dimensional "strings" of String Theory.
Now someone may think that Paper Mario caps at 11D, but it's not the case.
The book of Plato called as Republic is a thing in Marioverse and even more it's called by Aristotle - the man in white in the background of the following picture - to be the underlying truth of the Marioverse.
This is even further backed up by the narrator telling in the following scans - after you complete the missing words minigame ofc - that it's indeed the truth.
Mind you that in this context narrator=game creator's intent so this scans are valid.
How does that have to do anything with CSAP?
It's quite simple.
Plato was the founder of Platonism and Platonism itself contains The World of Ideas or in other words as Plato explained it in his Allegory of the Cave, the real world is nothing but a finite shadow of the World of Ideas or in other words what we see, feel, sense and comprehend are just mere reflections of a higher reality.
In other words in Platonism the physical world is just the puppet in a puppet show and the World of Ideas is the puppeter.
This by CSAP's standards is Considered baseline Outerversal.
Also this isn't the end of the Marioverse Cosmology since there's a higher place as well called as the Over There (I'm not joking, that's literally how it's called 💀) that transcends everything we've just talked about.
Now let's talk about the cosmic calamity known as The Void since that's were most of the high end Super Dimentio scales come from.
The void as I stated before is a cosmic calamity that's in most cases Considered as a hole in the dimensional fabric of space.
(Remember this video well since we'll see it later as well.)
Merlon the wizard had written a book known as Light Prognosticus in which he had written the following prophecy :
The Void will swallow all... Naught can stop it... unless the one protected by the dark power is destroyed. The hero with the power of eight Pure Hearts will rise to this task.
In the Paper Mario game there are two insanely powerful artifacts, the Pure Hearts and the chaos heart.
From these artifacts the Eight Pure Hearts were stated to have infinite power :
Mind you that Power of Love = Eight Pure Hearts in context.
On the other hand the Heart of Chaos was stated thrice to be able to make the user unstoppable unless the Pure Hearts were into play:
Remember the first video I've sent you?
That's the first scan.
After the last video I've sent you, Dimentio had appeared and after he one shot Count Bleck, he had claimed the Chaos heart for himself.
Now some of you may think that Dimentio is scaled to the Void via having the possession of the Chaos Heart? Yeah... it's not that simple.
In order to learn more let me tell you another thing about the Void.
The void itself as I stated previously in the prophecy of the Light Prognosticus was about to swallow all of the Marioverse and in case anyone thinks that I'm wanking it, I'm not it's actually stated in the Japanese version of the game.
Super Mario and his friends had later in the game tanked an interdimensional attack from the Void and were thrown to Flipside unconscious.
The attacks of the Void are in the forms of tremors.
Now that we have enough information let's scale our good ol' friend, Base Form Dimentio.
Now before anyone asks "Why tf did you start from this Emo jester, Pokémon ahh looking guy instead of Super Dimentio?" it's that because we want to scale Super Dimentio, we have to scale his base form first in order to have a sense of continuity between the two.
Now for the first feat we have to go to Dimentio's first fight against Mario and his friends.
The fight ended with Mario and his friends getting flung interdimensionally to Underside, unconscious.
Now some of you may think that by that Base Dimentio would equalise the Void.
Oh how wrong you are and in order to prove it to you let me ask you a question.
Do you remember the last of the two videos I've sent before?
You should remember it well since in this one we have Dimentio's strongest feat which can be narrowed down to the following.
Base Dimentio whilst holding back he snapped his fingers and shook Count Bleck Castle harder than all the Void tremors together.
And this isn't his only notable feat.
For the other feats, Merlon was stated to be incapable of harming Dimentio even before the latter got the Chaos Heart in his possession and mind you that Merlon can control all 11 Dimensions of the Marioverse.
Now the next one comes from Queen Jayde a character that has Conceptual Death Inducement.
In case you don't know how Conceptual Death Inducement works, it means that she can destroy any and all beings as long as their concept is weaker than hers.
As impressive as it may sound, Merlon is incapable of killing Base Dimentio, meaning that his concept is stronger than hers.
Finally things get more difficult if Dimentio decides to stop playing around and transform to Super Dimentio.
Super Dimentio is the form that the regular Dimentio can undergo once he stops holding back.
And incase you want to talk about Multipliers, in the Paper Mario game it's stated that Super Dimentio is infinite times stronger than Regular Dimentio.
Talk about a bonkers power increase!!! 💀
Enough with the jokes the scaling about the Paper Mario verse and Dimentio is as follows.
Marioverse: Complex Multiversal (Low End) to two layers into Outerversal (High End)
The Void: Low Hyperversal (12D) (Low End) to three layers into Outerversal (High End)
Base Dimentio : Hyperversal (13D) (Low End) to four Layers into Outerversal (High End)
Super Dimentio: High Hyperversal (♾️D) (Low End) to Outerversal+ (High End)
All credits for the Dimentio scans go to my good friend on Quora Bill Decipher a well respected Scaler on the platform and if you have a Quora account, feel free to give him a follow.
Now onto the next chapter - or chapters since this mf has a Google Doc's worth of scans - we'll talk about Molecule Man.
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